Women in Free Software & Culture in India

 WFS-india, a voluntary organization has been created a month back by some enthusiastic people wanting to see some gender parity in FOSS world. The group decided to organize a Localization Hackathon event on the eve of Cultural Freedom Day on 20th may, 2013 from 08:00pm to 09:30pm at the above mentioned channel.

Who are we?
We are a group of people who want to bring more women into FLOSS(Free/Libre/Open Source Software) and knowledge commons. We want to keep this group
- inclusive
- democratic

What do we want to do?
We want to promote FLOSS among women through
- online and offline events - hackathons, edit-a-thons, localization promotional events
- online magazines
- videos and slide shows
- share information about the upcoming opportunities, conferences, workshops related to FLOSS
- make Free Software and Knowledge Commons part of their life and culture.

In future, we would also like to
- organize skill-building workshops

Code of conduct in the group
- be polite
- be helpful
[Taken from linuxchix.org]

• Decided to hold an online event on the Cultural Freedom Day - 20 May.


• Tentative schedule and task distribution -
  
  
  
  • Digital Art comptetion - AMani
  
  
  • MediaWiki Hacakathon - Sucheta
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  • Hackathon and tutorial on localization - ChandanKumar
  
  
  • Promotion - Wowsig & satabdi
  
  

The next meeting is going to be on 12 May Sunday at 10pm at #wfs-india on irc.freenode.net.

The entire chat log is as follows -

**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May  7 20:57:46 2013

May 07 20:57:46 *    Now talking on #wfs-india
May 07 20:57:46 *    Topic for #wfs-india is: Next meeting planned on Tuesday 7 April at 9pm IST. Please join if you are interested.
May 07 20:57:46 *    Topic for #wfs-india set by satabdi!~satabdi@unaffiliated/satabdi at Fri May  3 23:55:58 2013
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May 07 21:00:07 <satabdi>    shall we start now?
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May 07 21:02:12 <amani_glugcal>    Yes
May 07 21:02:23 <satabdi>    Hi all, lets start now.
May 07 21:02:38 <chandankumar>    satabdi, Hi
May 07 21:03:00 <satabdi>    The agenda includes -  1. make plans for an event 2.  divide the tasks among ourselves
May 07 21:03:21 <amani_glugcal>    online or ...
May 07 21:03:51 <satabdi>    list of possible tasks suggsted by amani_glugcal - List of possible Tasks (prelim list):
May 07 21:03:51 <satabdi>    0. Events to get more talent in
May 07 21:03:51 <satabdi>    1. Where can we organize a large event and get more people in?
May 07 21:03:51 <satabdi>    2. Will an online strategy be better to start with?
May 07 21:03:51 <satabdi>    3. Each one of us should reach out to some target groups. Identify them.
May 07 21:03:51 <satabdi>    4. Website presence should be improved (specs, content )
May 07 21:03:51 <satabdi>    5. Aim for a distributed web presence with chapters
May 07 21:03:51 <satabdi>    6. We should also try and reach out to feminist groups? fsmk for
May 07 21:03:51 <satabdi>    example, has done good work among the poorer classes.
May 07 21:03:56 <satabdi>    hi chandankumar
May 07 21:04:26 <satabdi>    amani_glugcal, online is definitely easier - could you please share how can it be done?
May 07 21:04:58 <amani_glugcal>    20th May is Cultural freedom day
May 07 21:05:32 <amani_glugcal>    we can have 1. a few sprints
May 07 21:06:05 <amani_glugcal>    2. invite contributions that involve use of free s/w
May 07 21:06:17 <amani_glugcal>    like digital art
May 07 21:06:39 <amani_glugcal>    involve students, and others
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May 07 21:07:26 <amani_glugcal>    sprints would be for experienced foss people like documentation/tutorial sprints
May 07 21:07:53 <amani_glugcal>    Even if our site is not up to it
May 07 21:08:06 <amani_glugcal>    the event can be distributed
May 07 21:08:52 <amani_glugcal>    What do you suggest?
May 07 21:08:54 <amani_glugcal>    gimp tutorial,
May 07 21:09:03 <satabdi>    we can ask other projects if they are willing to participate then it can be done
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May 07 21:09:44 <amani_glugcal>    At fedora there was some interest
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May 07 21:10:19 <chandankumar>    amani_glugcal, satabdi we can tell people to start with localization. one of the easiest way to get started in open source.
May 07 21:10:54 <satabdi>    chandankumar, localization is a good idea
May 07 21:11:23 <amani_glugcal>    chandankumar we are talking about an event ... localization sprints are specialized events
May 07 21:11:41 <amani_glugcal>    tutorials on localization maybe
May 07 21:12:25 <chandankumar>    amani_glugcal, yes tutorials will be better, we can assign some small strings to get started.
May 07 21:13:07 <satabdi>    let us also think from the perspective of a prospective participant - why should she take part in such event?
May 07 21:13:38 <amani_glugcal>    learn to do digital art
May 07 21:13:39 <satabdi>    may be that would help us to decide what we want to do in such an event
May 07 21:13:40 <chandankumar>    yes, satabdi you are right.
May 07 21:13:52 <amani_glugcal>    develop parts of an OS
May 07 21:14:08 <amani_glugcal>    learn to edit music
May 07 21:14:20 <amani_glugcal>    create music, videos, podcasts
May 07 21:14:43 <amani_glugcal>    We should promote along those lines
May 07 21:15:55 <amani_glugcal>    Fix topics
May 07 21:16:08 <satabdi>    amani_glugcal, let us also include some material aspects :) a few days back I heard two long time FOSS contributors moaning over the fact that college students do not have the urge to tinker and play around with stuff - they take part in FOSS to add points to their CV - which I am perfectly fine with.
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May 07 21:16:48 <shweta>    hi
May 07 21:17:02 <chandankumar>    satabdi, yes
May 07 21:17:05 <amani_glugcal>    satabdi, yes they like certificates
May 07 21:17:22 <ashfaq>    Getting into foss to add points to CV acts like a stepping stone. in course of time atleast 1% of them will contribute to FOSS
May 07 21:17:23 <amani_glugcal>    we can provide them those if they participate
May 07 21:17:38 <satabdi>    in India, where getting job is the soul aim of so many and there is so cut throat competition, if someone aims at getting job, i see nothing bad there - and I think we should also think of such things when we plan something
May 07 21:17:58 <satabdi>    and we can hope for that at least a few of them will stick to FOSS for the love of it
May 07 21:17:59 <amani_glugcal>    I have nice templates
May 07 21:18:30 <chandankumar>    satabdi, their contribution in FOSS will help them to get a job as well as enhance their skills.
May 07 21:18:39 <satabdi>    certificates will be good
May 07 21:18:43 <satabdi>    chandankumar, bingo
May 07 21:19:39 <satabdi>    in our promotional material we should include these - certificate, skill enhancement
May 07 21:20:15 <amani_glugcal>    Participants will be provided certificates with remarks .... should we involve Fedora
May 07 21:20:21 <amani_glugcal>    ?
May 07 21:20:44 <satabdi>     yes, we should involve as many ppl and orgs as possible
May 07 21:20:54 <satabdi>    fedora mozilla whosoever is interested
May 07 21:20:54 <chandankumar>    satabdi, to promote we can take the help of mozilla webmaker in order to learn them web making.
May 07 21:21:04 <satabdi>    I can talk to Marina for GNOME
May 07 21:21:25 <amani_glugcal>    satabdi, ok
May 07 21:21:47 <amani_glugcal>    I will try to get Fedora involved
May 07 21:22:17 <chandankumar>    amani_glugcal, we can talk to kushal das or other guys regarding fedora.
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May 07 21:22:38 <amani_glugcal>    I am a ambassador, etc
May 07 21:23:07 <chandankumar>    amani_glugcal, mozilla will provide to help in these events. :)
May 07 21:23:34 <debamitro>    do  we have a consensus on the activity in the event?
May 07 21:23:38 <chandankumar>    amani_glugcal, mozilla will fill proud to help in these events. :)
May 07 21:23:39 <amani_glugcal>    chandankumar, ok
May 07 21:24:20 <amani_glugcal>    ok we will involve fedora, mozilla, gnome at least
May 07 21:24:35 <debamitro>    amani_glugcal: +1
May 07 21:24:49 <sucheta>    Hello. I am joining late, I guess.
May 07 21:25:26 <satabdi>    sucheta, no problem - just hop in! :)
May 07 21:25:38 <satabdi>    sucheta, we are discussing about holding an online event
May 07 21:26:07 <satabdi>    sucheta, we are thinking of involving Fedora, Mozilla, Gnome for that
May 07 21:26:14 <amani_glugcal>    shortlist activities:
May 07 21:26:29 <satabdi>    sucheta, can we also involve wikimedia?
May 07 21:26:58 <sucheta>    satabdi, I was just going to propose that. Sure, we can involve MediaWiki!
May 07 21:27:27 <sucheta>    Wikimedia, in general.
May 07 21:27:43 <sucheta>    Depending on the goals of the event.
May 07 21:27:51 <amani_glugcal>    sucheta, activities related to mediawiki?
May 07 21:28:02 <debamitro>    what are the goals, that's what I am curious to know
May 07 21:28:28 <debamitro>    since most of the ideas being discussed here will be relevant to only those who are already partly into FOSS, i feel
May 07 21:29:10 <debamitro>    are we reaching out to people who have only interacted with windows and with samsung phones? -- then we can plan accordingly
May 07 21:29:20 <amani_glugcal>    no, we want to get new talent in/ introduce foss too
May 07 21:29:45 <sucheta>    amani_glugcal, Well, if its an online event. I could think of conducting a remote hackathon or something.
May 07 21:30:11 <sucheta>    Hacking on MediaWiki stuff.
May 07 21:30:24 <debamitro>    amani_glugcal: right, now think how would we introduce foss as something interesting to the kind of people I am talking about
May 07 21:30:29 <amani_glugcal>    Target:  college, school students
May 07 21:30:42 <sucheta>    Gadgets and UserScripts are what we suggest to start with.
May 07 21:30:58 <debamitro>    sucheta: how many newcomers will be able to 'hack', that too remotely, I wonder
May 07 21:31:39 <satabdi>    sucheta: what are the necessary skills for using gadgets and userscripts?
May 07 21:31:50 <amani_glugcal>    sucheta event will be ~ 20th May cultural freedom day
May 07 21:32:44 <shweta>    amani_glugcal: 20th may at what time ?
May 07 21:33:39 <ashfaq>    for cultural freedom day we can have events like poster designing, photography, maybe some music too if people are interested. (Introduce them to inkscape gimp, audacity before hand.)
May 07 21:33:44 <amani_glugcal>    Some events will be on the day 18:00 to 22:00 hrs (say)
May 07 21:34:09 <amani_glugcal>    with parallel sessions
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May 07 21:35:06 <satabdi>     ashfaq in that case we need to put some good tutorials online
May 07 21:35:32 <sucheta>    debamitro, satabdi, amani_glugcal : Well, this is the idea: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/beginner-hackathons-thoughts
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May 07 21:37:34 <ashfaq>    satabdi meetthegimp has some excellent online tutorial, will see if i can find somthing for inkscape.but if people already use softwares like Photoshop/corel draw it wouldnt be very tough to get a hang of inkscape or gimp
May 07 21:38:28 <sucheta>    debamitro, We have done remote hackathons quite a few times now. I would not say they were some huge success. (Not sure, how to measure that :)) But we did manage to get potential contributors out of it. Those are usually done over Google Hangout.
May 07 21:38:29 <amani_glugcal>    sucheta, ok that is for people who know something
May 07 21:39:31 <amani_glugcal>     a central event page
May 07 21:39:43 <amani_glugcal>    on dw?
May 07 21:40:05 <amani_glugcal>    chandankumar?
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May 07 21:40:24 <satabdi>    amani_glugcal, once we decide on the activities we can put them on dreamwidth
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May 07 21:40:41 <amani_glugcal>    satabdi, ok
May 07 21:40:53 <chandankumar>    amani_glugcal, ok
May 07 21:41:09 <sucheta>    amani_glugcal, Ah. Well, a little bit of knowledge in programming would be important. Preferably JavaSrcipt.
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May 07 21:41:18 <sucheta>    JavaScript*
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May 07 21:42:15 <sucheta>    Or we can have a very elementary presentation on - 'How to become a MediaWiki contributor'. Or something of that sort.
May 07 21:42:34 <satabdi>    I think we should have some programming sprint - so if gadget and userscript is a good starting point then we can use them
May 07 21:42:47 <debamitro>    sucheta: going through your link...
May 07 21:43:22 <amani_glugcal>    sucheta, ok you will take care of the two topics
May 07 21:43:50 <chandankumar>    amani_glugcal, can i help for localization tutorial?
May 07 21:44:23 <satabdi>    and one thing - we should always ask ourselves before organising something - is it interesting and useful for the non-FOSS- people?
May 07 21:44:52 <amani_glugcal>    chandankumar, details
May 07 21:45:21 <debamitro>    sucheta: the plan is good and I can see that it works -- however it needs some programming/scripting experience
May 07 21:45:33 <chandankumar>    amani_glugcal, i have to create a tutorial for this.
May 07 21:46:02 <amani_glugcal>    what will be in it target audience desired skill set
May 07 21:46:11 <sucheta>    debamitro, This is a report of the last MediaWiki event, I have conducted: http://mikipedian.blogspot.in/2013/03/wikipedia-at-avenir-took-place-on-11th_12.html -this is basically how we do it. And precisely what happens when we have to deal with people without any prior programming experience.
May 07 21:46:17 <debamitro>    sucheta: how much time will it take to go over the stuff in the doc?
May 07 21:47:48 <chandankumar>    amani_glugcal, for localization, they need to know (read+write+type)their mother tongue, understand technical terms basically
May 07 21:48:26 <debamitro>    chandankumar: your idea is more doable for non-programming folk, but how are you going to excite them?
May 07 21:48:56 <sucheta>    debamitro, However, my experience says, it takes a two hour remote (mini) hackathon to get a MediaWiki developer from a JS developer. :)
May 07 21:49:04 <sucheta>    debamitro, Sorry, which doc
May 07 21:49:06 <sucheta>    ?
May 07 21:49:08 <debamitro>    sucheta: read the report, but we are planning an online event so we won't have all day
May 07 21:49:12 <debamitro>    sucheta: the etherpad
May 07 21:49:58 <sucheta>    debamitro, As I said. Remote hackathons won't be for those without any prior programming experience.
May 07 21:50:03 <chandankumar>    debamitro, for every word they  translate, their name will be appear in the software, if they are viewed in their mother tongue.
May 07 21:50:09 <ashfaq>    localization is something which i feels comes later, when people have understood working of FOSS and philosophy. Though in all our events i suggest we keep some time for localization. say spend 20 mins on asking each of the participant to translate 2-3 strings in thier own mother tounge
May 07 21:50:34 <debamitro>    chandankumar: good, now you are bringing out the passion -- everyone can relate to passion
May 07 21:51:29 <chandankumar>    debamitro, ashfaq amani_glugcal satabdi sucheta they can html, css from webmaker.org
May 07 21:52:09 <satabdi>    wowsig, slightly off topic - but can we create one or two posters/videos to promote the event - we need to show FOSS as something attractive
May 07 21:52:31 <debamitro>    what if we plan a online  pre-event to excite non-programmers, and then get people to fill up forms, from which we take people for the online hackathon?
May 07 21:52:49 <chandankumar>    debamitro, they can learn to create attractive videos using popcorn maker.
May 07 21:53:04 <wowsig>    satabdi, we can for sure. I was thinking more on the lines of this: http://thereconstructionists.org/ for women in computing
May 07 21:53:10 <amani_glugcal>    debamitro, we are planning parallel sessions and
May 07 21:53:33 <satabdi>    chandankumar, webmaker.org is cool!
May 07 21:53:39 <amani_glugcal>    longer noninteractive sessions for digital art
May 07 21:53:44 <wowsig>    satabdi, I would really like to take that idea up as a side project
May 07 21:54:14 <amani_glugcal>    wowsig, can you do it in LaTeX
May 07 21:54:34 <wowsig>    amani_glugcal, what exactly?
May 07 21:54:49 <amani_glugcal>    poster
May 07 21:55:06 <chandankumar>    satabdi, in future, they want to learn more programming languages and do awesome open source project they can join #dgplug summer training.
May 07 21:55:35 <wowsig>    amani_glugcal, I am afraid not. I am a mere inkscape person. If someone guides me through it, I will try
May 07 21:55:48 <satabdi>    wowsig, yes we need to do something like that in India - another one on similar line but limited to tech is girslintech - they publish top 100 women in tech in europe and things like that
May 07 21:56:13 <amani_glugcal>    wowsig, I have nice templates.... can be adjusted
May 07 21:56:19 <wowsig>    satabdi, please let's start doing this. It will maintain my interest :)
May 07 21:56:38 <wowsig>    amani_glugcal, sure. Let's do it then
May 07 21:57:13 <wowsig>    satabdi, do we have such a listing in India?
May 07 21:57:34 <satabdi>    okay - cool - to collect the loose threads together - lets try to get a draft of the activity list and share responsibilities among us
May 07 21:58:12 <amani_glugcal>    ashfaq, will do a inkscape tutorial
May 07 21:58:23 <satabdi>    wowsig, no and it's something I am very interested in doing. lets talk about it later
May 07 21:58:37 <amani_glugcal>    can anybody manage a digital arty\ competition
May 07 21:58:38 <wowsig>    satabdi, Cool.
May 07 21:58:53 <wowsig>    What activities do we have here already?
May 07 21:59:22 <amani_glugcal>    sucheta : hackathon, introduction
May 07 21:59:40 <amani_glugcal>    chandankumar: localisation
May 07 21:59:52 <satabdi>    sucheta, can you get a couple of intro tutorials on the event (preferably video/slideshow)
May 07 22:00:09 <amani_glugcal>    gimp: who?
May 07 22:00:22 <chandankumar>    amani_glugcal, yes *localization
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May 07 22:01:07 <amani_glugcal>    For newbies?
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May 07 22:01:22 <satabdi>    ashfaq, can you please get one or two good GIMP tutorials?
May 07 22:01:57 <ashfaq>    we can use the existing tutorials, http://blog.meetthegimp.org/ is one of the best tutorials ive come across for gimp
May 07 22:02:16 <sucheta>    debamitro, That sounded good! Context: Pre-event for non-programmers or maybe for everyone in general?
May 07 22:02:30 <sucheta>    satabdi, Sure, I can do that :)
May 07 22:02:42 <amani_glugcal>    How are we planning on doing the tutorials?
May 07 22:02:47 <debamitro>    wowsig: are you doing the promo/poster for the event (or series of events)? you can tie your idea to this
May 07 22:03:06 <wowsig>    debamitro: Yup.
May 07 22:03:12 <satabdi>    amani_glugcal, preferable video and slideshows?
May 07 22:03:13 <debamitro>    sucheta: everyone in general, programmers might get bored
May 07 22:03:15 <wowsig>    I will take up the branding
May 07 22:04:45 <chandankumar>    amani_glugcal, what about learning by doing on irc?
May 07 22:04:53 <debamitro>    sucheta: see I am a professional programmer for many years, but still I am clueless about many things you people are saying, I was wondering what will a non-programmer think at the event
May 07 22:05:10 <satabdi>    sucheta and chandankumar are responsible for hackathon and localization  events then! who is going to own up GIMP event? in fact I am not very clear how can we have an online event with GIMP?
May 07 22:05:12 <debamitro>    sucheta: yet setting the right context can excite anyone who is enthusiastic in life
May 07 22:06:19 <satabdi>    wowsig, cool!
May 07 22:06:22 <amani_glugcal>    debamitro, total newbies may be able to use chat at least or interact via a white board system
May 07 22:06:29 <debamitro>    sucheta: so the idea is to show that you don't need to rely on microsoft or samsung or google to give you your software -- you can create software
May 07 22:06:58 <debamitro>    sucheta: and coding, localisation, documents, artwork, promotion are all part of a software product
May 07 22:07:09 <satabdi>    amani_glugcal, white board system?
May 07 22:07:20 <sucheta>    debamitro, Uhm yes. That is the basic idea, sure.
May 07 22:07:27 <amani_glugcal>    for online interaction
May 07 22:07:39 <sucheta>    debamitro, Why do you think programmers might get bored?
May 07 22:08:19 <debamitro>    sucheta: and we encourage total non-programmers to see it in this light and then ask them "are you coming to our hackathon, here's s sneak preview of what we'll make you do if you join"
May 07 22:08:50 <debamitro>    sucheta: dunno just guessing
May 07 22:09:14 <sucheta>    I understand the problem that non-programmers would face, as you said. That totally makes sense.
May 07 22:09:35 <wowsig>    I have a question, don't know if this has been answered. If it is an online event, how is the promotion happening?
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May 07 22:10:07 <debamitro>    wowsig: sucheta and I have been talking about this only
May 07 22:10:21 <amani_glugcal>    wowsig, we will promote it through various channels
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May 07 22:10:28 <wowsig>    like?
May 07 22:10:29 <debamitro>    wowsig: how do you think we can promote it?
May 07 22:10:36 <chandankumar>    wowsig, through sharing on social media,
May 07 22:10:42 <amani_glugcal>    all mailing lists, reddit,
May 07 22:11:04 <debamitro>    wowsig: oo  I was thinking of the promotinal event when you said promotion
May 07 22:11:19 <amani_glugcal>    indian mailing lists on politics,etc
May 07 22:11:23 <wowsig>    If it is for newcomers, I am not sure if they would be targeted through the mentioned channels
May 07 22:11:49 <amani_glugcal>    schools, colleges?
May 07 22:12:23 <wowsig>    How does one promote an online event in schools and colleges? I think this is a critical piece of the puzzle.
May 07 22:12:40 <wowsig>    We should have someone for marketing too
May 07 22:12:46 <chandankumar>    wowsig, i think create a event page on facebook or sharing poster among friends will reach to many people.
May 07 22:12:51 <satabdi>    wowsig, through social media, college mailing groups, word of mouth , ads on social media (being very ambitious here )
May 07 22:12:53 <amani_glugcal>    If we have a poster, then I can get it distributed to various colleges in Kolkata
May 07 22:13:10 <wowsig>    creating a landing page and then using the initial voucher that google offers for ads
May 07 22:13:14 <wowsig>    that could be done
May 07 22:13:48 <satabdi>    wowsig, do you know how to do it?
May 07 22:13:55 <wowsig>    yeah.
May 07 22:14:16 <satabdi>    in any case we need to distribute posters in colleges and schools
May 07 22:14:27 <sucheta>    debamitro, If an introduction to Free and Open Source world is what we are concerned about, for now - Even a programmer needs that. For example - I am participating in GSoC as a mentor for Ankur this year, I can tell you there are a lot of applications which would say how much they have written code all this while, but a few of them have a GitHub (or similar) repository.
May 07 22:14:34 <wowsig>    We should be extremely data conscious in this effort, measuring every footprint and its impact.
May 07 22:14:42 <satabdi>    and exploit facebook and other such sites as much as possible
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May 07 22:14:56 <satabdi>    wowsig, data conscious?
May 07 22:15:40 <wowsig>    yes, measuring where all we advertised, how many people turned up from which channels, will only lead to better promotions for the next event
May 07 22:15:40 <sucheta>    So basically, the idea is to spread the idea of open source, free software, free culture etc.
May 07 22:16:06 <sucheta>    satabdi, BTW, I can also contact WikiWomen Collaborative, if that helps?
May 07 22:16:07 <satabdi>    wowsig, +1
May 07 22:16:13 <wowsig>    satabdi, let us discuss this idea further
May 07 22:16:25 <satabdi>    sucheta, sure.
May 07 22:16:36 <amani_glugcal>    Will we be able to do all that well within 20th May or do we choose a different date?
May 07 22:16:58 <satabdi>    lets all try to collaborate with others who support the cause and make it reach as many as possible
May 07 22:17:39 <debamitro>    sucheta: point taken, everyone needs it, even I do
May 07 22:17:51 <chandankumar>    sucheta, many people started contribution from college, when i tell that i have started my contribution through localization, and i have got my name in vlc media player author's list. by seeing that they started contributing.
May 07 22:18:19 <sucheta>    satabdi, They have been doing remote edit-a-thons for Wikipedia during Women's Day.
May 07 22:18:38 <sucheta>    Actually for the last one month.
May 07 22:18:46 <satabdi>    sucheta, idea is also to spread in such a way that they feel attracted to it - they may join because of passion, because of CV improvement, because of thousand other things - but let them join first - then we can expect at least some of them will stick to FOSS
May 07 22:19:24 <satabdi>    wowsig, chandankumar has a good point
May 07 22:19:37 <sucheta>    satabdi, Sure. :)
May 07 22:20:11 <amani_glugcal>    Do we have any competitions?
May 07 22:20:15 <sucheta>    satabdi, debamitro  So a Wikipedia edit-a-thon should be for everyone!
May 07 22:20:25 <satabdi>    amani_glugcal, the date has a significance! it will help us build an environment
May 07 22:20:30 <wowsig>    sucheta +1
May 07 22:20:43 <chandankumar>    satabdi, amani_glugcal i am planning to organize a event on vlc media player localization in between 14 may to 21st may, 13.
May 07 22:20:44 <satabdi>    sucheta, yes
May 07 22:21:13 <amani_glugcal>    I have a registration for cultural Freedom day... will adjust it to this
May 07 22:21:17 <debamitro>    one off-topic question -- why are we having such a small turnout in the irc meeting, or the google group
May 07 22:21:30 <sucheta>    satabdi, Okay. I would need a write-up for this whole idea to contact them.
May 07 22:21:36 <wowsig>    amani_glugcal, we should keep the line up events for the first event crisp.
May 07 22:21:59 <debamitro>    are we not really appealing to women to join this initiative?
May 07 22:22:14 <wowsig>    debamitro, that is why it is important to also consider the marketing aspect of this initiative very strongly.
May 07 22:22:28 <satabdi>    wowsig, so far we have decided on edit-a-thon, localization
May 07 22:22:30 <wowsig>    I feel we are not reaching out or even if we are
May 07 22:22:39 <wowsig>    we don't know the numbers
May 07 22:22:41 <debamitro>    wowsig: yes, f'got to +1 on what you said earlier
May 07 22:23:11 <satabdi>    wowsig, +100 we need some cool promotional materials
May 07 22:23:18 <wowsig>    debamitro, I have added this to my to-be-discussed-at-length with you guys
May 07 22:23:20 <wowsig>    :)
May 07 22:23:41 <satabdi>    amani_glugcal, are we having these 2 events or I have missed out anything?
May 07 22:24:09 <debamitro>    wowsig: sure
May 07 22:24:23 <amani_glugcal>    satabdi, we need to add more
May 07 22:24:59 <wowsig>    I think two are enough
May 07 22:25:11 <wowsig>    Let us concentrate our energies into these two events
May 07 22:25:20 <amani_glugcal>    Shall I ask RMS to deliver a lecture
May 07 22:25:40 <satabdi>    amani_glugcal, what is the feasibility of us getting support from companies like mozilla or redhat is sponsoring a competition ?
May 07 22:26:12 <amani_glugcal>    satabdi, at Fedora one needs to apply earlier.
May 07 22:26:24 <amani_glugcal>    Mozilla should be easier
May 07 22:26:39 <amani_glugcal>    sponsorship is different
May 07 22:26:40 <satabdi>    amani_glugcal, if we can get a short video clip of him on the subject we can use it as promotional material - he speaks very passionately and is quite inspirational
May 07 22:27:15 <amani_glugcal>    satabdi, ok will get a video
May 07 22:28:00 <amani_glugcal>    Redhat sponsorship ... will ask relevant people
May 07 22:28:59 <chandankumar>    amani_glugcal, from mozilla we can get swag like: mozilla stickers, band etc.
May 07 22:29:00 <amani_glugcal>    But the issue will be ... we cannot handle finance
May 07 22:29:14 <satabdi>    amani_glugcal, if we get sponsorship, then we can think of a competition - with prizes people will be attracted towards it more -
May 07 22:29:52 <wowsig>    amani_glugcal, are there some prerequisites for getting financial help?
May 07 22:29:56 <debamitro>    can we create our own video for promotion
May 07 22:30:10 <satabdi>    amani_glugcal, yes and for that we need to collaborate with registered groups who can handle finance (ofcourse if such a group is willing to help us))
May 07 22:30:16 <amani_glugcal>    satabdi, so we directly involve Fedora, Mozilla etc
May 07 22:30:59 <satabdi>    amani_glugcal, ah! got it! so we directly ask them to hold such a thing? but the question is will they be interested?
May 07 22:31:33 <amani_glugcal>    Yes, if I say it is a Fedora event, then it is :)
May 07 22:31:39 <debamitro>    one more idea for involving newcomers -- let's start a mini-project which we will get done with women who are new to programming or foss
May 07 22:32:03 <chandankumar>    satabdi, when i organize mozilla localization sprint, the person who translate maximum string, i give mozilla t-shirt as a prize.
May 07 22:32:08 <amani_glugcal>    The idea is we are jointly organizing it
May 07 22:32:25 <chandankumar>    amani_glugcal, the same is for mozilla also.:-)
May 07 22:32:52 <debamitro>    we'll advertise that we will be taking a fixed number, say 5, women who are willing newbies of any age, and the mini-project can be creating a website for wfs-india
May 07 22:33:07 <satabdi>    (off topic) before every one leaves the group - 1. please vote yes or no on making the chat log public 2. when we meet next? Is coming Sunday 26May 10PM good with everyone?
May 07 22:33:13 <amani_glugcal>    satabdi also other people in Fedora are interested
May 07 22:33:25 <debamitro>    so all parts of the site -- design, coding, sys admin everything will be done by the people selected, and we can mentor them
May 07 22:33:30 <debamitro>    is it outrageous?
May 07 22:34:05 <debamitro>    if needed we can arrange for some money to be given
May 07 22:34:22 <debamitro>    my contention is that doing is the best and most enjoyable way of learning
May 07 22:35:55 <satabdi>    chandankumar, since it's going to be an online event distributing tshirts and stuffs like that won't be easy
May 07 22:36:15 <amani_glugcal>    debamitro, website part for wfs-india can be thought of later...involves lot of planning
May 07 22:36:22 <chandankumar>    satabdi, yes! you are right. :-)
May 07 22:36:31 <wowsig>    1. Yes, the chat should go public 2. Sunday is good
May 07 22:36:55 <amani_glugcal>    We can discuss the event on mailing list/dw
May 07 22:36:59 <debamitro>    amani_glugcal: website is hardly the goal, goal is to get ppl working in something that they can relate to and something that will involve foss
May 07 22:37:11 <wowsig>    debamitro +1
May 07 22:37:14 <chandankumar>    debamitro, +1
May 07 22:37:24 <satabdi>    chandankumar, yet if we can include some sort prizes/rewards it would make the event even more attractive to a newbie
May 07 22:37:51 <chandankumar>    satabdi, that will be better. :-)
May 07 22:38:08 <amani_glugcal>    debamitro, then look into more basic things like creating blogs using css, etc
May 07 22:38:37 <debamitro>    amani_glugcal: will a newcomer relate to it?
May 07 22:38:57 <amani_glugcal>    debamitro, for herself
May 07 22:39:12 <satabdi>    one fundamental question - we will keep this event for women only? right?
May 07 22:39:28 <amani_glugcal>    satabdi, right
May 07 22:39:39 <chandankumar>    yes
May 07 22:39:54 <satabdi>    in the joining / registration phase they have to only tick a declaration that she is a she :)
May 07 22:40:52 <satabdi>    chandankumar, amani_glugcal sucheta shweta Please share what you think on - (off topic) before every one leaves the group - 1. please vote yes or no on making the chat log public 2. when we meet next? Is coming Sunday 26May 10PM good with everyone?
May 07 22:40:53 <sucheta>    satabdi, chat should go public, yes. And 26May?
May 07 22:40:54 <amani_glugcal>    satabdi, this part is complex
May 07 22:41:14 <amani_glugcal>    chat can be made public
May 07 22:41:15 <debamitro>    amani_glugcal: yes, still will she? but if we say hey we need you to work on the upcoming site for wfs-india which will be done only by women then it becomes much more meaningful
May 07 22:41:36 <chandankumar>    satabdi, 1.)yes 2.) yes
May 07 22:41:57 <debamitro>    amani_glugcal: blog is a matter of mood, a person might not want to change her blog stylesheet abruptly
May 07 22:42:05 <shweta>    satabdi: yes for making chat public and coming sunday is fine with me for next meeting
May 07 22:42:29 <satabdi>    debamitro, i see merit in your idea - but I support amani_glugcal - for the website we need to plan - and for volunteers we need to decide jobs in small chunk
May 07 22:42:54 <satabdi>    otherwise if someone decides to leave in the middle the website will be in a nowhere state
May 07 22:43:06 <sucheta>    satabdi, We need a write-up for the whole idea.
May 07 22:43:10 <debamitro>    amani_glugcal, satabdi: my idea is strictly after the editathon and the other event we planned
May 07 22:43:50 <satabdi>    sucheta, yes! lets do it together
May 07 22:44:31 <satabdi>    i'll prepare a draft and share in the google group - we can review it then and make changes to it
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May 07 22:44:50 <satabdi>    debamitro, with planning it can be done
May 07 22:45:23 <debamitro>    how about a video -- say sucheta wowsig amani_glugcal satabdi all record 20 seconds each, we can join it up for a promo video
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May 07 22:45:58 <wowsig>    debamitro, we should meet up and decide on what is it that we want to convey. Will do the video then
May 07 22:46:47 <satabdi>    amani_glugcal, chandankumar sucheta wowsig shweta - the next meeting I suggested on 12 May - not 26th may - thanks shweta for pointing it out
May 07 22:46:50 <debamitro>    wowsig: just answer this question: "why should you join this event" and record it on a smartphone
May 07 22:47:10 <amani_glugcal>    satabdi, ok
May 07 22:47:18 <wowsig>    debamitro, sounds good :)
May 07 22:47:22 <chandankumar>    satabdi, ok
May 07 22:48:30 <sucheta>    satabdi, Okay! In the meantime I'll try to get in more women, I know.
May 07 22:48:49 <amani_glugcal>    We should have most things ready by 14th May
May 07 22:49:58 <satabdi>    sucheta, +1
May 07 22:50:27 <chandankumar>    sucheta, i will tell the same in my college
May 07 22:50:51 <sucheta>    chandankumar, Sure. Do that :)
May 07 22:50:51 <chandankumar>    * satabdi
May 07 22:51:01 <satabdi>    so far then we have 2 events right?
May 07 22:51:11 <chandankumar>    satabdi, yes
May 07 22:51:13 <amani_glugcal>    satabdi 3
May 07 22:51:18 <amani_glugcal>    inkscape
May 07 22:51:29 <satabdi>    amani_glugcal, who is taking charge of that?
May 07 22:51:38 <amani_glugcal>    ash..
May 07 22:51:46 <debamitro>    Amrita: it is perfectly okay to be a silent listener, but can you introduce yourself?
May 07 22:51:54 <satabdi>    ashfaq is not in the channel
May 07 22:52:23 <satabdi>    okay will ask him when I get hold of him next
May 07 22:52:54 <amani_glugcal>    debamitro, yourself?
May 07 22:53:18 <debamitro>    amani_glugcal: yes, what is the question! I am lost in the chat
May 07 22:53:37 <amani_glugcal>    introduce yourself
May 07 22:54:01 <amani_glugcal>    if it is ok
May 07 22:54:41 <debamitro>    amani_glugcal: my details are at about.me/debamitro , ask me anything you like in addition to that
May 07 22:55:35 <debamitro>    stultus: sunu: we'd love to hear you introduce yourself -- if you feel comfortable
May 07 22:55:49 <debamitro>    we are a totally inclusive group here
May 07 22:59:28 <satabdi>    wowsig, this is a very inspiring video - http://youtu.be/nKIu9yen5nc if we can create an effect as created by this one - it would be great
May 07 23:00:23 <wowsig>    satabdi, let me see
May 07 23:00:34 <wowsig>    oh, I have seen this one :)
May 07 23:02:51 <satabdi>    it's already 1.5 hours so lets officially conclude here - I'll share the meeting minutes - in the meanwhile please join our google group - wfs-india@googlegroups.com and http://wfs-india.dreamwidth.org/
May 07 23:03:55 <amani_glugcal>    ok
May 07 23:04:01 <satabdi>    the next meeting agenda includes - 1. discussing details of the events with chandankumar, sucheta and ashfaq 2. finalising the format of the event, timings
May 07 23:04:15 <chandankumar>    satabdi, sure
May 07 23:04:27 <amani_glugcal>    and maybe more events
May 07 23:05:12 <satabdi>    amani_glugcal, chandankumar sucheta and me to contact fedora, mozilla, mediawiki and gnome and get feedback from them
May 07 23:05:36 <satabdi>    3. amani_glugcal, chandankumar sucheta and me to contact fedora, mozilla, mediawiki and gnome and get feedback from the
May 07 23:05:37 <chandankumar>    satabdi, sure
May 07 23:06:22 <satabdi>    amani_glugcal, if we are to get some sort of sponsorship what is the way to go?
May 07 23:06:51 <satabdi>    the idea of competition with a prize is very lucrative to young people
May 07 23:06:57 <amani_glugcal>    I will ask sankarshan/rahul for RH.
May 07 23:07:21 <amani_glugcal>    Mozilla people I know
May 07 23:07:34 <satabdi>    amani_glugcal, is there any registered FOSS group which can handle finance on behalf of us?
May 07 23:07:55 <satabdi>    on their part they will get credit as a collaborator in the event
May 07 23:08:26 <amani_glugcal>    satabdi, we will just co-organize with Fedora-India, etc
May 07 23:09:03 <amani_glugcal>    Fedora-women
May 07 23:10:16 <satabdi>    chandankumar, could you please join the google group? it would help us to discuss till we meet next in irc
May 07 23:10:23 <amani_glugcal>    we can continue this in mailing list
May 07 23:10:31 <satabdi>    amani_glugcal, yes
May 07 23:11:19 <chandankumar>    satabdi, yes
May 07 23:14:16 <satabdi>    it has been very energetic to talk to you all! i hope we will get more enthusiastic people in this endeavour. see you on Sunday 12th at 10pm
May 07 23:14:25 <amani_glugcal>    bye for now
May 07 23:14:35 <satabdi>    bye amani_glugcal
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Hi,

Shall we plan our next meeting on Tuesday 7th May at 9pm?

And there are only 4 people joined this group where we had around 15 people actively taking part in the discussion. Although I like the webpage that we are getting from dreamwidth, we need a way to reach out to all those people interested to join the cause. If all of you here are okay with it, we can create a google group (as logicamani suggested earlier) to discuss among each other.

Thanks,
Satabdi