We decided on:
1. Postponing the Online event on Cultural Freedom Day to the 15th of June'2013.
2. On adding more sessions to the event beyond that discussed earlier.
3. The Inkscape/GIMP session will be dropped.
4. Website specs for Event to be discussed and executed soon.
5. Event posters will be designed by Akanksha Gaur.
6. The confirmed events include (as of now)
1. Competition-1 will be on Posters involving using exclusive use Free Software tools. The proposed theme is "Women and Gender Related Issues". Participants will be judged on their knowledge, expression, clarity and quality of work. Semantic part of this competition will be managed by A. Mani.
2. Wiki Edit-a-thon conducted by Sucheta Ghoshal.
3. Hackathon + Tutorial on Localization in Fedora Linux by Chandan Kumar.
4. Competition-2 will be a quiz on Free Software, Fedora, GNU/Linux, Philosophy and Policy Conducted by a substantial part of organizers.
5. Educational Tutorials on Free software and Culture will also be part of the gallery.
6. Up to four more sessions to be decided
Both competitions will involve interesting prizes.
[Other event pages including the cultural freedom wiki page http://wiki.culturefreedomday.org/2013/India/Kolkata/GLUG-Kolkata
will be synced with the above.]
The entire IRC chat log is as below:
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 12 21:58:31 2013
May 12 21:58:31 * Now talking on #wfs-india
May 12 21:58:32 * Topic for #wfs-india is: Second Planning meeting of wfs-india
May 12 21:58:32 * Topic for #wfs-india set by satabdi!~satabdi@unaffiliated/satabdi at Tue May 7 21:01:09 2013
May 12 22:04:26 * shweta (shweta@2002:75e0:a2fe::75e0:a2fe) has joined #wfs-india
May 12 22:04:41 Hi all
May 12 22:04:57 lets start
May 12 22:05:00 hi satabdi
May 12 22:05:06 Hi shweta
May 12 22:05:18 ok
May 12 22:05:28 lets first discuss about the date of the online event
May 12 22:06:01 weekend towards
May 12 22:06:03 it is 20th right ?
May 12 22:06:06 end of month
May 12 22:06:12 chandankumar pointed out that most of the engineering colleges in India will have exam around that time
May 12 22:06:21 and sucheta too has her exams till 5th June
May 12 22:06:41 then after 5th
May 12 22:07:06 yes, after 5th seems to be good
May 12 22:07:17 select a saturday
May 12 22:07:32 shweta, initially we decided on 20th May
May 12 22:08:37 8th or 15th June?
May 12 22:08:58 15th ?
May 12 22:09:07 that gives us one month to prepare for it
May 12 22:09:09 15th
May 12 22:09:17 fine
May 12 22:09:42 Fix web team for event
May 12 22:09:56 satabdi, hello
May 12 22:10:02 core devels:
May 12 22:10:03 chandankumar, hi
May 12 22:10:11 satabdi, please mail me the chats,
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May 12 22:10:29 chandankumar, which chats?
May 12 22:11:03 chandankumar, go and study :)
May 12 22:12:53 Let us fix the web team first or do we do it in the mailing list?
May 12 22:13:10 amani_glugcal, web team?
May 12 22:13:23 for the online event ...
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May 12 22:13:42 amani_glugcal, the team responsible for the different tracks in the online event?
May 12 22:14:21 The team for the base infrastructure not content
May 12 22:14:31 okay
May 12 22:14:49 The final event is slotted for 15th June is it?
May 12 22:14:55 yes
May 12 22:14:59 yes wowsig
May 12 22:16:10 Abot Aashfaq' s proposal?
May 12 22:16:57 I think we should permit hackathons/live tutorials only and quiz competitions
May 12 22:17:16 quiz and competitions
May 12 22:17:47 An fsmk event on 20th should be fine
May 12 22:18:20 Any new event proposal/idea?
May 12 22:20:55 feminism related?
May 12 22:20:59 it seems ashfaq sent that mail to me and amani
May 12 22:21:06 am forwarding it to the group
May 12 22:21:47 I am replying as per above few lines
May 12 22:23:10 today wowsig, one of her friends and I had a very good discussion
May 12 22:23:54 a lot of good points came up - although we were more thinking from the marketing perspective, but i think a lot of what we discussed is also relevant when we plan our events
May 12 22:25:30 we need to approach from POV of social perspectives and available space
May 12 22:25:36 the one point which came up again and again in our discussion is how to make FOSS attractive to the newbies? since we are aiming to get new blood in FOSS, how can we make it relevant, interesting, and fun?
May 12 22:26:37 take nice issue ... add free software
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May 12 22:27:02 amani_glugcal, how?
May 12 22:28:15 there is plenty of interest in sex education related material ... esp after recent incidents
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May 12 22:28:39 and media attention
May 12 22:28:50 that is space
May 12 22:29:04 Most ladies I interact with at college think FOSS is geeky .. we should somehow change that.
May 12 22:29:29 btw hi everyone :)
May 12 22:29:46 amani_glugcal, how would you relate FOSS to that issue?
May 12 22:30:10 now foss tools can always be used to help with creating materials, content
May 12 22:30:27 sunu, Hi, and yes that's true - but the problem is why being "geeky" is seen in a negative manner and people want to stay away from it!
May 12 22:30:44 this way our network will expand
May 12 22:32:05 don't bother about 'geeky' part ...use application specfic terms
May 12 22:33:31 I agree with amani_glugcal. We should rather concentrate on the good that FOSS is doing to everyone during marketing.
May 12 22:34:01 amani_glugcal, how would you present it to the people who do not know anything about FOSS? how would you connect violence against women with FOSS and present it to them so that they would feel the urge to use FOSS and contribute to it?
May 12 22:34:46 satabdi, people will create content with foss tools... that way they become aware of it
May 12 22:35:00 contributing to foss comes later
May 12 22:35:22 in teaching we speak of concept formation ...
May 12 22:35:22 how do we get them to use FOSS tools in the first place?
May 12 22:36:22 they may be knowing some other tools and the easiest way of getting started is
May 12 22:36:44 through some minimal incentive
May 12 22:37:05 If a person feels strongly about something
May 12 22:37:31 then the person will be willing to go the extra mile
May 12 22:39:17 hi every body, this is joyoti
May 12 22:39:25 The points of the discussion that I and satabdi had today were very interesting. We had thought that it is very important to connect to people on a very personal note. The philosophy will seep in once the benefits of foss are conveyed. But more important than that was answering the question of how does your being a women change anything. One can always
May 12 22:39:26 contribute and one can always have a workaround
May 12 22:39:44 agreed to amani_glugcal
May 12 22:39:54 Hello, Joyoti! Welcome to the group!
May 12 22:40:03 a good motivation is making money
May 12 22:40:09 joyoti, would you like to introduce yourself?
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May 12 22:41:05 sure
May 12 22:41:14 amani_glugcal, if we talk about branding the experience. Which direction do you think we should look forward to?
May 12 22:41:42 something that will just appeal to every woman.
May 12 22:41:53 I worked in few service based S/W companies in kolkata for last 4 years
May 12 22:42:37 currently left job due to personal issues and trying my luck learning few FOSS tools
May 12 22:43:31 wowsig that way there are different points to be considered...
May 12 22:44:00 great to have you with us, joyoti :)
May 12 22:44:03 hello all
May 12 22:44:07 i am back.
May 12 22:44:24 we have bad brands of feminism in India that will not appeal to the middle class
May 12 22:44:36 and good brands too
May 12 22:45:07 our target is obviously lowwer--upper middle class
May 12 22:45:24 this matters in any approach to feminist issues
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May 12 22:47:08 We need to give them some incentive and career oppertunities may be a good one.
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May 12 22:48:31 sunu a multi-faceted approach will not be bad.... some women are on the Internet for entertainment, gossiping ...
May 12 22:49:12 We were thinking of actually going on with a clear approach, it could be a direct question on the lack of women tech leaders in India
May 12 22:49:37 Lots of companies use FOSS ( linux being the best example) and every software company looks for FOSS contribution from potential candidates.
May 12 22:49:41 feminism if backed with clear numbers and something that girls can relate to, should work
May 12 22:49:48 sunu, +1
May 12 22:50:13 how do we wrap all this data into a potent visual or a manifesto
May 12 22:50:39 wowsig, that is a more complex issue. It will not be possible to address such a huge systemic problem at one go.
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May 12 22:51:12 amani_glugcal: If we get some initial traction, the initial members may be able to rope in their friends :)
May 12 22:51:18 Wowsig, I was speaking about women in tech
May 12 22:51:26 amani_glugcal, I am just trying to see this as a marketing problem, so just wondering how do we market this?
May 12 22:52:14 wowsig, just address the correct spaces... I know politics not mkting:)
May 12 22:52:44 In mkting ...you basically bow before the consumer
May 12 22:53:03 we are doing that
May 12 22:53:31 amani_glugcal, :) now when we have overcome the first problem of identifying where to go to promote FOSS, marketing would mean, what exactly do you say that cannot be ignored.
May 12 22:53:46 so, for instance, FOSS is a definite plus on ones CV
May 12 22:53:59 and the contribution is a huge morale booster too
May 12 22:54:08 but is there something more to it?
May 12 22:54:18 wowsig: I think we need an ad campaign which we'll use in our events or prior to them, maybe something like http://www.gotstared.at/ which is related to sexual harassment
May 12 22:54:19 something that simply cannot go unheard
May 12 22:54:20 Foss is great fo idle people to start doing something, making cash
May 12 22:55:20 debamitro, +100, exactly. We have the right product in our hands, we also have the right people who need it. Now it will be about delivering a very strong message.
May 12 22:55:41 feminism related issues are intrinsically attractive... they can be tackled to an extent via foss
May 12 22:55:58 amani_glugcal, +1
May 12 22:56:16 I think we could take a strong stance with two issues
May 12 22:56:21 feminism and foss
May 12 22:56:36 amani_glugcal, how about we do a poster campaign?
May 12 22:56:48 wowsig: Directly telling people that there is lack of women in FOSS world and we think women can do better ?
May 12 22:56:54 amani_glugcal, +1
May 12 22:57:22 sunu, how do we know that women can do better?
May 12 22:57:33 sunu, that is a complicted thing to say to a newbie
May 12 22:58:15 and true, there are very few number of women in FOSS, but how does it matter to the newbies if there's too little or too many?!
May 12 22:58:17 sunu, I am just seeing what is the motivation that we are promoting via this statistic? It is almost like saying the roads in our country are dirty. It is just a little offhand way of saying that you should keep the roads clean
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May 12 22:58:26 sunu that can be in additional writeups
May 12 22:58:41 By 'women can do better' I meant they can partitipate in larger numbers. We need them in the industry. :)
May 12 22:59:02 sunu, +1, that is definitely a message we can put forward.
May 12 22:59:37 sunu, oh sorry! misunderstood what you said. yes totally agree with you
May 12 22:59:49 And also do create a facebook page.
May 12 22:59:50 Poster: "Event Title" for
May 12 23:00:05 satabdi: :)
May 12 23:01:07 Fighting Against Sex Crimes
May 12 23:01:25 For Basic Sex Education for All
May 12 23:01:35 Most non-geeky people use facebook a lot more and it is probably one of the best ways to advertise the event.
May 12 23:01:41 sunu, +1
May 12 23:02:06 For Empowering Women With Free S/W
May 12 23:02:17 sunu agree with you
May 12 23:02:44 Awakening Lazy Women :)
May 12 23:02:55 Umm.. btw could someone give me the link to the mailing list .. I think I lost it :(
May 12 23:03:09 amani_glugcal: +1 :-P
May 12 23:04:33 gotstared.at is a great example
May 12 23:04:53 we should think of a strong domain...
May 12 23:04:59 ideas?
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May 12 23:05:50 mozilla or Fedora people may be able to help
May 12 23:05:58 Should I ask?
May 12 23:06:06 amani_glugcal, for what?
May 12 23:06:50 for hosting the event on their website
May 12 23:07:18 amani_glugcal, that will be awesome
May 12 23:07:32 ok
May 12 23:07:54 Having them host the event will do good for the publicity as well :)
May 12 23:07:56 We should also have a lookout for some tech journalists and bloggers who cover the Indian technology sector
May 12 23:08:16 I know EFY people
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May 12 23:08:41 OpenSource for you ?
May 12 23:08:53 and others
May 12 23:09:15 I will tell them
May 12 23:09:36 Other channels?
May 12 23:10:10 * satabdi (~satabdi@unaffiliated/satabdi) has joined #wfs-india
May 12 23:10:39 sorry got disconnected
May 12 23:11:03 no problem, satabdi
May 12 23:11:15 amani_glugcal: We should try some non-geeky channels too.
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May 12 23:11:29 sunu, yes
May 12 23:11:31 we were thinking of a strong domain like gotstared.at
May 12 23:11:55 wowsig: I got disconnected, anyway I think my idea is too abstract, we need something more direct
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May 12 23:12:32 debamitro: Yes. We need a message that hits the nail right on the head
May 12 23:13:30 debamitro: thankfully with social media, if your campaigns are designed well, and you have a very clear agenda, it will get propagated.
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May 12 23:14:36 before the online event if we can create a series of posters having very direct messages that would be great
May 12 23:15:09 specs of event website ... we discuss and finalize soon on mailing list
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May 12 23:15:22 amani_glugcal, yes
May 12 23:15:41 satabdi 2-3 posters should be enough
May 12 23:15:52 lets also continue this discussion on the content part on the mailing list
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May 12 23:16:35 cool
May 12 23:16:47 I will keep thinking of ideas for poster series..
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May 12 23:17:14 before people start leaving - 1. lets decide when to meet next 2. if everyone okay with the chat log being public?
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May 12 23:18:39 I think satabdi is suffering with a bad network
May 12 23:18:57 would next saturday 9 PM IST work?
May 12 23:19:08 or do we meet earlier?
May 12 23:19:18 date
May 12 23:19:37 18th May
May 12 23:20:04 I'll be around on 18th
May 12 23:20:07 ok
May 12 23:20:07 wowsig: will the glamour quotient bring people, i.e., pics like http://www.vanityfair.com/business/new-establishment/2012/women-in-silicon-valley
May 12 23:20:37 debamitr_: yes, I think we will try all the approaches possible
May 12 23:20:46 debamitr_ no ... it will alienate people
May 12 23:20:59 amani_glugcal: okay, accepted
May 12 23:21:19 I think we should try all the possible options before deciding ourselves what works
May 12 23:21:47 wowsig, amani_glugcal: then how about using marie curie's work/words like http://www.rugusavay.com/marie-curie-quotes/
May 12 23:22:12 she was a double nobel prize winner, and had to struggle a lot to do physics
May 12 23:22:24 although I too am not comfortable with bringing the glamour quotient since it reenforces the stereotypes - but I agree with wowsig - lets try and experiment and see what gives us good return?
May 12 23:22:25 absolutely! plus, quotes of famous women would make beautiful posters
May 12 23:23:03 I think I am misunderstanding the term 'glamour quotient'. What is the context of the term here?
May 12 23:23:51 wowsig: so I am getting that we need to show 1. a powerful quotation 2. good role model(s) in our ad campaignm, right?
May 12 23:23:55 (off topic) so is 18th 10pm fine with every one?
May 12 23:24:09 satabdi_d, yes to both the questions
May 12 23:24:16 Quote #5 on the Marie page is fine
May 12 23:24:18 yes
May 12 23:24:24 Marie Curie quotes are great. +1
May 12 23:24:28 21:00 hrs?
May 12 23:24:30 debamitr_, yes, quotations are a very good idea
May 12 23:24:34 or 22:00 hrs
May 12 23:24:42 interviews are also a great idea
May 12 23:24:55 wowsig not on a poster
May 12 23:25:29 wowsig: Interview on poster ?
May 12 23:25:31 amani_glugcal, :) yeah, not on a poster, but as supplementary content to keep the community alive
May 12 23:25:53 I feel a lot of communities die because of lack of refreshing content.
May 12 23:26:21 we could work wonders if we have a good team contributing to fresh content or curating it.
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May 12 23:26:57 sorry, horrible connection at my end
May 12 23:27:00 If the event is in a month, shouldn't we have a meeting earlier ?
May 12 23:27:35 sunu 18th May 21:00 hrs
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May 12 23:27:56 or earlier?
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May 12 23:28:36 sunu keep posting on mailing list
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May 12 23:28:43 amani_glugcal: I was suggesting earlier than that. As we have like 4 weeks only
May 12 23:28:45 how about thursday, 16th May?
May 12 23:29:06 amani_glugcal: Ah. ok.
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May 12 23:29:26 final date & time?
May 12 23:29:37 wowsig: 16th may is good for me.
May 12 23:30:10 16th May, 9 PM IST works for everyone?
May 12 23:30:21 Lets do it at 9:30pm
May 12 23:30:28 okay..
May 12 23:30:30 ok and do enough work before that
May 12 23:30:33 if every one is okay with it
May 12 23:30:36 yes
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May 12 23:31:05 yes, anything else?
May 12 23:31:38 so I am taking it as no one has any problem with the chat log being public?
May 12 23:31:39 what are the to-dos?
May 12 23:31:50 We should get the advertising materials ready and book a domain.
May 12 23:31:53 I will be working on poster concepts
May 12 23:32:05 wowsig, the survery we were talking about today
May 12 23:32:06 So that we can start advertising asap.
May 12 23:32:15 that would give us data to ponder upon
May 12 23:32:17 the ideas for domain are getting discussed on the mailing list is it?
May 12 23:32:27 satabdi, that we will continue to work on in the BG
May 12 23:32:56 satabdi, I will also scan and send today's discussion notes to everyone
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May 12 23:33:10 that would be great
May 12 23:33:46 to book a domain we need to finalize on a name
May 12 23:34:28 wfs-india.in
May 12 23:34:35 wfs.in
May 12 23:34:49 freewomen.in
May 12 23:35:09 fosswomen.in
May 12 23:35:45 wfs.in looks best
May 12 23:36:23 foss has 'open source' in it :)